Ffynnon Llysiog

by Richard Parfitt

It was back in 2005 when I was freelancing as a Mountain Leader, I was researching different walks for the ‘Discovering in the South Wales Countryside Course’ for the Summer School at the University of Glamorgan, is when the manager, Director, Clive Roberts of Outeractive (R), who I was working for, asked me if I wanted to borrow a book on the history of Vaynor. (One of the areas I decided to walk that year).  Clive had a vast wealth of knowledge and experience of the outdoors and many contacts, after being the manager of Dolygaer (Mid Glamorgan) Outdoor Centre. When I received the book from Clive. It was falling apart. With many loose pages. However, inside there were many interesting stories about Morlais Castle and the Battle of Maesvaynor with the two disputing Marcher Lords who were at war, due to boundary disputes and where King Edward the First had to intervene.

As I pondered over this little book, ‘Vaynor, its history and guide’, written by the Reverend J.E. Jenkins, Rector 1887, I came across the story of ‘Llysiog Well’.

Llysiog Well

This is a noted well. For the healing of Scrofula wounds, sores, ulcers and all skin diseases. It is situated in the upper part of the parish, on the side of the hill above Ynys Fawr Farm. The distance by the pathway over the hill from Pontsarn station. Is about four miles, and about 5 miles along the high Road from Coed Cymmer or Cefn station. Years ago, this well was better known than it is today. For ages it was the ‘Llanwrtyd’ of South Wales and Monmouthshire and will be so again, when the light railway. From Coedcymmer, via Cwm Taf Fawr, Devynog and Llandovery, will be constructed. Many and wonderful are the narratives told of cures effected by using this water. At present, the annual average number of people visiting well is about 300 (in 1897). A large quantity of the water is carried away to people who are unable to attend. The water is free like the mountain air. There are several love stories connected with it which I hope to give in a future page. A party starting from Pontsarn on after the arrival of the morning, trains on a fine day may be back in good time for luncheon and at one of the hotels or at any of the houses where visitors are received. It is now suggested that some arrangements should be made to have this noted* water for sale. Near Pontsarn during the summer months.

This is extracted from ‘Vaynor: Its History and Guide’ by Rev J.E. Jenkins Rector 1897

Even though I did not include a walk to the famous well of 1887 that year. I had talked about visiting it many times later, with Clive, but we just never seemed do the walk. Everything is for a reason! I often wondered if the water really did have healing powers or was it just a placebo of belief by our ancestors. Nevertheless, I had this nagging feeling that something might be in the water that really did do what the Rev Jenkins said it would, cure many locals in this way; and why would this man of the cloth, have had reason to include it in his book.

When researching I first looked at the geology of the location and realised that it was in the area between the ‘Old Red Sandstone’ that is found near Pen-y-Fan and the Carboniferous Limestone running down into Merthyr Tydfil in the south. In the area of Ffynnon Llysiog is a thin band of Grey Millstone Grit, it is also near to the Neath fault. I wondered if there were any traces of sulphur? When I was growing in my early teens, I remembered my mother giving me regular spoonfuls’ of flower of sulphur and honey to prevent me getting any spots or rashes that many teenagers have at that age. I must admit I went through my teenage years without acne or even a spot.

While trawling for any information I could find on Ffynnon Llysiog or the Rev J E Jenkins. I found information that the Rector of Vaynor was also a Welsh Bard whose bardic name was ‘Ceridiol’ and he had written a Welsh poem with the word ‘Llysi’ in one of the verses. The word Llysi or Llysiog means Herb/vegetable in English.

While tracing the area I found a page on the internet relating to a naturalist Mary Gillham MBE who authored many books on the areas of South Wales. She had been a lecturer in the University of Cardiff and was famous for a research career working on the vegetation of Sea birds and Islands around the world.

Mary’s page and photograph with the heading Nant Llysiog Water and Geologies, it further stated: above Llwyn On of the two branches of Nant Wern Ddu – November 1971 – and there in Black and white – “Iron Hydroxide” deposited when stream Ffynnon Llysiog enters, healing properties. This was only the second time there seemed evidence, that Mary recognised the water had healing properties, probably, due to the Iron Hydroxide. (I shouted “Bingo”). I was relieved that this place was special and come the spring to summer of 2024 I would be visiting it.

Further research around Mary Gillham highlighted a book co-written by her – The Historic Taf Valleys, Volume Two in the Brecon Beacons National Park by John Perkins, Jack Evans and Mary Gillham. This is what Jack Evans wrote about the Ffynnon Llysiog “The mention of Nant Llysiuog (Old spelling) introduces another custom which is now succumbed to modern medical treatment. Still marked on the Ordnance Survey Maps near the source of the Llysiuog are the words ‘Ffynnon Llysiuog (Ffynnon = Well). This denotes the present of a mineral spring, where many people from afar afield collected the water in jugs and urns and any suitable containers in the firm conviction that it cured most ailments, including constipation.

Particularly was good for removing impurities from the blood and liberal doses were taken during the spring season. Anyone walking to this site in an endeavour to discover the old well will quickly realise that to even get there, people must be extraordinarily fit.”

In October 2024 I did visit Ffynnon Llysiog I was able to follow the route as described by Mary and sure enough there was the confluence between the two waterfalls, where the reddish (Iron hydroxide).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On arrival at the pools, I could smell a strong smell. I turned to my son and asked him “can you smell that?” He said “Yes,” I replied, “I think its Sulphur.” Due to there being two pools above the confluence I was not sure which one was the Well. Therefore, I took it for granted the larger of the two would be the Well!

It was shortly after my visit to the location I contacted Alison Davies and asked if she knew of the Ffynnon Llysiog or if she had ever visited it? She said she had not visited it, but knew of it, from the Reverend J E Jenkins book. She also has sent me some cuttings from the Merthyr Express Saturday 02 November 1935, where a Youth Hostel Party had visited the river Llysiog as far as the Sulphur Wells (Plural). This answered two questions one was there were two pools and secondly confirming there was Sulphur.

I have since discovered another small reference to the Ffynnon Llysiog in Elwyn Bowen’s Book ‘Vaynor – A Study of the Welsh Countryside’ He states – “The constipated sought relief in the mineral spring of Ffynnon Lysiuog in Cwm Taf. The water was carried away in jugs and urns and so efficacious was it considered by the medical profession that the possibility of commercially exploiting it was seriously contemplated a century ago.”

There is no doubt this water has healing properties, Whether it be from the bacteria forming iron hydroxide or the peat bogs producing the sulphur, both which helps the body heal. I also have some modern theories that the area is linked to Negative Ions and even ‘Grounding a.k.a. Earthing’.

Considering the Ffynnon Llysiog not being related to a Saint, like many healing springs and wells throughout the principality and further afield, could indicate that this spring/well predates the medieval period combine this with Bronze age sites in the vicinity of Cilsanws mountain and Cwm Cadlan the Ffynnon Llysiog could very well have been visited by our ancient ancestors.

If you have any information about Ffynnon Llysiog I would be grateful to hear from you.

Pontmorlais photo

Following on from the recent photograph of  Wm. R Lewis & Son, Pontmorlais, https://www.merthyr-history.com/?p=9197, I have been sent the following photograph and message.

© Cheryl Kellar

I thought you may like to see this. My great uncle is the young boy sat by the ladder. He was an apprentice carpenter. They were celebrating King Edward’s visit in 1936 when he visited Dowlais. I added my details years ago because it includes my dear great uncle and it’s such a personal record of his youth. It must’ve been taken by a professional photographer. 

Cheryl Kellar

Merthyr’s Lost Landmarks: Lost Chapels of Dowlais

Carrying on with the requested look at Merthyr’s lost chapels, here is the second batch – the lost chapels of Dowlais.

Bryn Sion Welsh Independent Chapel

Brynsion Street, Dowlais

Built 1834. Rebuilt 1844. Demolished 1969

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Caersalem Welsh Baptist Chapel

Well Street, Dowlais

Built 1821. Rebuilt 1833. Demolished 1977

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Calfaria Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Chapel

High Street, Caeharris

Built 1879. Closed 1979

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Ebenezer Primitive Methodist Chapel

Wind Street, Dowlais

Built 1846. Burnt down 1927

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Elizabeth Street Presbyterian Chapel

Elizabeth Street, Dowlais

Built 1876. Demolished 1965/6

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Gwernllwyn Welsh Independent Chapel

Mary Street, Dowlais

Built 1850. Rebuilt 1874. Demolished 1965

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Hermon Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Chapel

Castle Street, Dowlais

Built 1827. Rebuilt 1841. Demolished 1960s

Libanus Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Chapel

Libanus Street, Dowlais

Built 1852. Rebuilt 1858, 1870. Demolished 1996

Moriah Welsh Baptist Chapel

Mount Pleasant Street, Dowlais

Built 1856. Demolished 1992

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Penywern Welsh Independent Chapel

Jones Street, Peneywern

Built 1857. Rebuilt 1877. Demolished ?

Shiloh Welsh Wesleyan Chapel

Castle Street, Dowlais

Built 1811. Rebuilt 1853. Demolished 1920s

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Tabernacle (Elim) English Baptist (Pentecostal) Chapel

Ivor Street, Dowlais

Built 1873. Rebuilt 1876. Demolished 1974

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Unitarian Chapel (later Salvation Army)

White Street, Dowlais

Built 1881. Demolished ?

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

Wesleyan Chapel

Castle Street, Dowlais

Built 1843. Rebuilt 1850, 1832. Demolished 1967

Photo courtesy of the Alan George Archive

If anyone has photographs of any other chapels that are no longer with us, and there are a few I can’t find photos of, or if anyone can fill in any details, please get in touch.

Trelewis War Memorial

To mark the centenary of the unveiling of the Trelewis War Memorial, the article below is transcribed from www.treharrisdistrict.co.uk

Sunday May 31st 1925 was a proud day for the people of Trelewis. As many as 3,000 people stood in silent admiration, when the union Jack was unfurled to reveal a majestic and beautiful monument; the little mining town’s tribute and memorial to 45 gallant men of Trelewis who laid down their lives in the Great War.

The unveiling of the War Memorial

The Trelewis War Memorial was erected by public subscription, its original location was chosen as a peaceful place away from the industrial mining of the valley.

By 1999, the memorial had become isolated, due to the closure of the mines and the re-shaping of the landscape, it was also suffering some vandalism and generally it was starting to look unkempt and neglected.

The Ladies section of the Trelewis British legion proposed that the Trelewis War Memorial should be re-sited from its original Captains Hill site to a different area of the village where it could be better appreciated.

Thanks to fund-raising of volunteers, the project was successfully concluded following a three year campaign led by Trelewis going for green chairperson Shirley Bufton

A team of Royal Monmouthshire Engineers stepped in to move the statue to its new home near the Ffladcaiach Inn.

The successful climax was the Parish of Trelewis rededication of their War memorial on Sunday 23rd June 2002, which followed a march of war veterans through the village.

The re-sited War Memorial

A plaque was placed in the garden next to the re sited Trelewis memorial statue. It is a memorial to Cled Johnson, a very well respected person in Trelewis. Cled was associated with the British Legion Ex-Servicemen’s Club in the village and for his hard work in aid of the British legion

Many thanks to Paul Corkrey for permission to reproduce this article.

My Street – part 3

by Barrie Jones

Chapter Two

Keir Hardie Estate

Keir Hardie Estate is unique for being Merthyr Tydfil’s largest concentration of post war prefabricated buildings. At the time of its construction in 1947/48, the estate was the largest council housing site within the Borough with a total of two-hundred and seventy-six houses. Unique not only for being named after arguably the most well-known British socialist, James Keir Hardie, but also all its streets are named after prominent socialist politicians, thus highlighting the then County Borough’s strong socialist tradition.

It was intended that the new housing estate would have ten shops, a community centre and nursery school. Although the estate was under construction from the winter of 1946/47 it was not until January 1948, that the Housing Committee decided on its name and the names of its first five roads. The record of the committee debate gave no reason for the choice of names, but it clearly indicates the Committee’s pride in the Labour Party and the role of prominent socialists in the provision of social housing. Alderman T. Edmund Rees stated: “There are good names among those chosen, but I would like to see one road called Winston Churchill in recognition of the great war-time leader“. The Mayor, (Claude Stanfield) said “they only become great when they pass on“.

Keir Hardie EstateJames Keir Hardie MP, 1856-1915. Member of Parliament for Merthyr Tydfil, 1900-1915.

Aneurin CrescentAneurin Bevan MP 1897-1960. Minister of Health, 1945-1951.

Glasier RoadJohn Bruce Glasier, 1859-1920. One of the founder members of the Independent Labour Party (ILP).

Jowett Avenue – The Housing Committee agreed to an alternative spelling of the road as Jowitt Avenue. William Allen Jowitt, later Baron Jowitt of Stevenage, 1885-1957. Lord Chancellor, 1945-1951. It is likely that the road was named after him and not Jowett; however, the road name continues to be spelled with an `e’ not an `i’. Frederick William Jowett MP, 1864-1944,

Wallhead Road Richard Collingham Wallhead MP, 1869-1934. Member of Parliament for Merthyr Tydfil, 1922-1932.

Wheatley Place – John Wheatley MP, 1869-1930. A prominent member of the Independent Labour Party (ILP) he was Health Minister in 1924 and was responsible for what was known as the Wheatley Housing Act 1924. The act provided government subsidies to build public housing, created employment in a depressed construction industry and provided homes at affordable rents for low-income families.  By 1933 over half a million council houses had been built in the UK.

The planned shops and community centre never materialised, a new nursery and infants’ school was built near the Incline on the opposite side of Gilfach Cynon on the field known as Gwaun Y Mardy, part of the Mardy farm.  Only one shop was built on the estate, on Glasier Road opposite the entrance to the estate from Twynyrodyn, this was later converted into a Laundromat, and finally into a residential property. In the 1960s further housing was provided on the remaining `greens and the political emphasis on road names continued with these later developments.

Dalton Close – Hugh Dalton, (Baron Dalton P.C) 1887-1962. Chancellor of the Exchequer, 1945-1947.

Greenwood Close – Arthur Greenwood MP, 1880-1954. Minister of Health, 1921-1931.

Aerial view of Keir Hardie estate under construction in the summer of 1947. The ‘green’ between the then unbuilt Jowett Avenue and Wheatley Place can be seen in the centre of the estate.To serve this substantial number of houses a small maintenance depot was built on the spare piece of land near the ‘Twynyrodyn’ entrance to the estate. A small number of Council tradesmen kept the estate in good repair, being so close to their work they were at the almost constant beck and call of tenants. After the construction of the housing estate part of the field structure could still be seen. The open space between Jowett Avenue and Wheatley Place displayed the remnants of hedgerows and fence lines enclosing a small oak wood or copse, the remnant of Cae Pant. This `green’ was dominated by a very large oak tree situated halfway along and near to Jowett Avenue. Two other large oaks were on either end of the `green’. Except for the one oak tree opposite number 12 Jowett Avenue, and another on the further end near the junction of Jowett Avenue and Aneurin Crescent all the trees were cut down when Greenwood Close, the Council’s first Old Aged Pensioners (OAP) sheltered scheme, was constructed on this open site.

The contractor, Gee, Walker, and Slater Ltd. built a total of two hundred and seventy-six properties for this first phase of the estate, ninety-six concrete houses, called Wimpy No Fines, and one hundred and eighty British Iron and Steel Federation houses, (B.I.S.F.), prefabricated steel houses. With later additions to the estate the total number of dwellings increased to three hundred and nineteen, summarised as follows:

Street Number of Houses      
  BISF No. Fines OAP Flats Other Total
Glasier Road 24 61 0 0 1 86
Aneurin Crescent 98 1 0 0 1 100
Wheatley Place 19 3 0 0 0 22
Jowett Avenue 19 0 0 0 0 19
Wallhead Road 20 31 0 0 0 51
Greenwood Close 0 0 27 1 0 28
Dalton Close 0 0 0 10 3 13
Total
180 96 27 11 5 319